While planning upcoming trips, a couple of Marriott properties have caught my eye.  They both received great reviews and are in perfect locations for where I want to be.  The downside is that neither has award availability for the time I want to go.  So, what are my options?  Can I double or triple dip my way to savings?  Can I get points for buying Marriott gift cards, and for using the gift cards to take some of the sting out of paying for a hotel?

In the past, Marriott has run promotions where they sold their gift cards at a discount or for extra points.  For example, a reader who goes by Jeremy E reported to me that he received 10 Marriott points per dollar when purchasing gift cards several months ago.  To my knowledge, there’s nothing like that available right now.  However, there are some good options for earning extra points through a triple dip:

Dip 1: Buy Gift Cards up to 9X

  • By using a Chase Ink card that earns 5 points per dollar for office supplies, its possible to earn 9 points per dollar by going through Chase’s Ultimate Rewards Mall to Staples to buy Marriott gift cards.  5 points per dollar come from the Ink bonus category and 4 points per dollar come from the Ultimate Rewards Mall. 
  • With the Sapphire Preferred, you can earn 5 points per dollar by going through the Ultimate Rewards Mall to Marriott.com to buy gift cards.  Two points per dollar come from the card’s 2X travel bonus, and 3 points per dollar come from the Ultimate Rewards Mall.  One reader, Jeremy E, who did this reported that the 2X for travel posted automatically, but he had to call Chase to request the 3X for the Ultimate Rewards Mall. 
  • With any credit card, you can earn 3.5% cash back by finding the Marriott Gift Card store on Big Crumbs.  If you use the Marriott Premier Visa Card to make this purchase, you should receive 5 Marriott points per dollar as well.  Lets call this combination 8.5X (5X + 3.5% cash back).

Dip 2: Reserve stay via points / cash back portal up to 3.5X

  • If you have access to the Ultimate Rewards Mall, go through the mall to Marriott to make the room reservations to get 3 points per dollar.
  • A good alternative to the Ultimate Rewards Mall is to go through Big Crumbs to Marriott for 3.5% back.

Dip 3: Earn Marriott Rewards for your stay up to 15X

  • Most Marriott properties automatically give 10 points per dollar.
  • Platinum members are awarded up to 15 points per dollar.
  • Prior to travelling, it is possible to request a Platinum Elite Challenge in order to get all of the perks of top tier status for your stay, including 15 points per dollar!

Add it up

With the triple dip listed above, it’s possible to get the equivalent of 27.5 points per dollar where “points” are a mix of Ultimate Rewards, Marriott Rewards, and cash.  If/when Marriott brings back the 10 points per dollar for gift cards promotion, you could do even better.  Use your Marriott Premier Visa Card to buy the gift cards for 5X + 10X = 15X.  By going through a portal for both purchasing gift cards and reserving rooms you get another 6X to 7X.  Then you get your 15X for the stay as a Platinum Elite.  That combination would give you a total of 36 to 37X!

20% off through Discover America?

Last April, ThePointsGuy reported a one day sale on Marriott gift certificates for 20% off.  This was part of the American Express Discover America promotion which is coming back this April!  I plan to watch this closely.  If the Marriott promotion comes back, I’ll definitely try to nab some gift cards!

Notes

The triple dip approach described above is stackable with almost all Marriott special offers such as their Megabonus offers.  One exception is that you cannot use gift cards for advance payment reservations.


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Big Crumbs announces my failures, and I like it that way.   

As you probably know, I do a lot of experiments with shopping portals.  For example, I’ll buy merchant gift cards for points or cash back from one portal, and then spend the gift card with the hope of more points or cash back from the same or another portal.  To see some of the experiments that are in progress or completed, please see the Frequent Miler Laboratory

With these experiments it is easy to determine when they succeed.  Points or cash back appear in my portal account, usually as “pending”.  In those cases, I can announce success and move on.  Note: I’ve heard stories of points posting and then being pulled back, but I have yet to experience that.

When an experiment fails, though, most portals give no feedback at all.  In those cases, my only option is to wait some number of weeks before giving up and calling it a failure.

Big Crumbs is different.  With my last several failed experiments, the cash back posted in green and was subtracted out in red.  See the image below for examples from drugstore.com, Magazines.com, and Barnes & Noble:

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So, even though I’m not happy that the experiments failed.  I love the feedback!

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A reader contacted me yesterday asking about the best way to meet minimum spend on her American Express business card.  She has $1000 left to spend and wants to buy Walmart gift cards.  Of course she could simply go to Walmart to buy them, but she’d like to save money and/or earn points too.  So, what is the best option?  Here’s the best approach I can think of:

Step 1: Look for discounted Walmart cards

Go to GiftCardGranny.com and search for Walmart.  You may want to uncheck the box on the left that shows Ebay Auctions since these are not final prices.  As of the time of this writing, there are many cards available for anywhere from 2% to 5% off their face value.

Step 2: See if any of the discount cards qualify for additional cash back

Before buying the cards found in step 1, check to see if you can earn cash back by going through a cash back shopping portal:

  • Through ShopAtHome, the following offers are available:
    • CardPool.com offers .8% cash back
    • GiftCertificates.com offers 3% cash back
    • GiftCards.com offers 3.5% cash back
  • Through FatWallet, you can get 1% cash back for purchases made at PlasticJungle
  • Through eBay, you always get 2% back in the form of eBay bucks.

Step 3 (optional): Buy bank gift cards in order to buy the Walmart cards

Through the American Express OPEN Savings program, purchases of more than $100 at OfficeMax result in a 5% rebate!  So, you can go to OfficeMax and buy $200 Visa gift cards.  Once you account for the $6.95 fee per card, you end up with a savings of 1.7%.  You can now use these Visa gift cards to buy the discounted Walmart cards you found in steps 1 and 2.

NOTE: Only do this step if the gift cards you intend to buy are each $200 or less!  If they cost more, it probably won’t be possible to use the Visa cards to purchase the Walmart cards.  Another option is to go through Big Crumbs in order to buy an American Express gift card in a larger denomination.  Through Big Crumbs you will get 1.4% back, but you will have to pay Amex a service fee and shipping.  Truthfully, unless you buy a very large denomination card from Amex (in order to minimize the % loss due to shipping and fees), this option is probably not worth the effort.

Add it up

Through the 3 steps above, it may be possible to save as much as 5% in step 1, 3.5% in step 2, and 1.7% in step 3 for a total savings of 10.2%! This would amount to about $100 in savings!

Other options

In this post I detailed how to go about getting Walmart gift cards with as big of a discount as possible.  There are, however, many other ways to meet the minimum spend on your credit cards.  For some examples, please see “Top ten ways to spend a lot of money and get most of it back.”

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A common method people have used to meet minimum credit card spend to qualify for signup bonuses is to buy American Express gift cards via Big Crumbs in order to put big charges on their cards and get 1.6% cash back in the process.  Unfortunately, the cash back rate has now dropped to 1.4%.

Fortunately, there are a few other good options if you are working on meeting minimum spend for the Chase Ink Bold or any American Express business card with OPEN Savings:

Ink Bold

Option 1: Buy Visa gift cards at Staples via Ultimate Rewards Mall

As I reported yesterday in the post “Inking Money” you can buy $100 Visa gift cards (with a $5.95 service fee) at Staples via the Ultimate Rewards Mall in order to get a total of 9 points per dollar.  The extra points earned when doing this (above the 1 point normally earned for credit card spend) are worth $11.18 according to the Fair Trading Price of Ultimate Rewards points.  After subtracting out the $5.95 service fee, you gain $5.23 (in the form of points).  In other words, this is like a 5.23% rebate!

Option 2: Buy Visa gift cards in person

Another option with the Ink Bold is to buy $200 Visa gift cards with a $6.95 service fee at any office superstore such as Staples, OfficeMax, or Office Depot.  Since the Ink Bold gives 5 points per dollar for office supplies, this approach returns 1035 points, or 935 more than would be earned for non-bonus purchases.  The Fair Trading Price of those 935 points is $12.24.  After subtracting out the $6.95 service fee, you gain $5.29 (in points).  This amounts to a 2.6% rebate.

American Express with OPEN Savings

As I reported in the post “Turn your Amex into Visa and Save $,” American Express OPEN savings give 5% back for purchases of $100 or more at OfficeMax.  So, it is possible to buy $200 Visa cards at OfficeMax with a $6.95 fee and you will get $10.35 back.  In other words, this is like a 1.7% rebate.

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CAUTION: While this post offers a way to buy points and miles at bargain rates, there are serious risks involved in this approach. Before trying this, please review the “Risks” section at the bottom of this post.

Overview

A few days ago I posted step by step instructions for how to meet credit card spend thresholds without breaking a sweat. I showed how to achieve $5000 of credit card spend by buying and liquidating (cashing-in) American Express gift cards for a total cost of $68.40. That post focused on how to qualify for sign-up bonuses. This post, on the other hand, will show how to use the same trick to buy miles cheaply. When you buy and liquidate $5000 worth of gift cards, you will earn 5000 points or miles simply by using a travel rewards credit card. Why is this significant? Well, it means that, with this method, it will cost you $68.40 to get 5000 points or miles. That works out to 1.37 cents per mile. Considering that many reward program points are worth at least 1.5 cents each, that’s a pretty good deal! But you can do even better. Keep reading, and I’ll show you how to buy points and miles for .82 cents each!

The secret

The secret behind this hack is to find credit cards that offer big bonuses when you meet certain spend thresholds. By buying and liquidating gift cards, you can meet those spend thresholds and earn even more miles and points. For example, there are several credit cards that offer 10,000 bonus miles once you reach $25,000 of spending in a year, and some that offer even better bonuses. For a nearly complete list of such cards, see NerdWallet’s blog post “Which credit cards give bonuses to big spenders“.

Planning

This is not a quick and easy hack. It requires long term planning and follow-through to make it work. Credit card spend thresholds usually need to be met within a calendar year, so your best bet is to begin preparing prior to a new calendar year. You may need to sign up for new credit cards if you don’t already have one with a big bonus for high spend. You will also need to sign up for the Big Crumbs shopping portal and an account with Square. See my prior post for details.

Process

Begin early in the year, preferably January, and buy gift cards once a month. Your goal should be to spread out the purchases as much as possible over the year, and with each purchase buy as few gift cards as possible (so as to reduce the amount of fees paid to Amex). For example, if your goal is to spend $25,000 on a card, a good approach is to buy one $2000 gift card per month for 11 months and then one $3000 card the final month. If your goal is to spend $100,000 on a card, then buy $9000 worth of cards each month for 11 months and a $1000 card the final month. Some additional considerations:

  • Make sure you have a high enough credit limit. The value of this hack could be wiped out by over-the-limit fees if you’re not careful!
  • In order to keep a good credit rating, try not to approach your credit limit. See DansDeals for more about this. However, I’d recommend against paying off your credit card multiple times a month since there are some indications that this might prompt a financial review from your credit card company.
  • You must pay off your credit card bill in full each month. Otherwise you will be plagued with high interest charges that will quickly turn this deal into a disaster.
  • Do not try this with a Citibank card since Citibank treats gift card purchases as cash advances. There are, apparently, ways to get around this by calling Citibank each time, but personally I wouldn’t take the risk.
  • Think twice before attempting this with an American Express card. There have been many reports of people being put through an arduous financial review process by American Express in which their accounts are frozen for a few weeks and they are required to submit multiple years of tax records to Amex. Personally I’m half-hoping that this will happen to me so that I can blog about the experience, but you might not see similar value in it!

Examples

The following examples show the value obtained from this approach with various credit cards. To keep things simple, the examples assume that gift card purchases are made $5000 at a time. Since $3000 is the largest gift card amount you can buy, these examples assume that you will buy two cards each time ($3K + $2K = $5K). In the example from my prior post, I showed that the cost of buying and liquidating $5K in cards is $68.40. If you buy fewer cards, your fees will be slightly lower. If you buy more cards, your fees will be slightly higher. Also, some credit cards have multiple spend thresholds. In those cases, I always assume you will reach the largest one.

Credit Card Spend Threshold Bonus points/miles Cost per mile Annual Fee Cost per mile with Annual fee
Continental OnePass Plus $25K 10K .977 cents $95 1.25 cents
UnitedMileage Plus $25K 10K .977 cents $95 1.25 cents
Amex Premier Rewards $30K 15K .912 cents $175 1.3 cents
Platinum Delta Skymiles $50K 20K .977 cents $150 1.19 cents
Delta Reserve $60K 30K .912 cents $450 1.41 cents
Chase Ink Bold $100K 47.5K .927 cents $95 .99 cents
Chase Ink Bold with checking * $100K 67.5K .817 cents $95 .87 cents

* As reported by reader JTI, in this Deals We Like post, if you have a Chase checking account, you can earn an extra 20% from all points earned via purchases. So, $100K of spend results in an extra 20,000 points above and beyond the threshold bonuses! For more information, see this offer from Chase.

Analysis

If you already own any of the cards shown above (or others with similar bonuses), there is no question that this is a great deal. If you are close to a threshold, but won’t quite make it, then this deal gets even better because your costs will be much smaller than shown above. Whether it is worth getting a card just to do this deal, is another matter. Each card comes with some excellent perks, but if you don’t value those perks, the cost per mile of this trick goes up substantially for most of the cards. The Chase Ink Bold, though, is in a class of its own. Even with the annual fee factored in, the cost to buy points is less than a penny each. This is all the more remarkable because you can exchange your points for cash at a value of 1 cent each and actually end up ahead cash-wise (I wouldn’t recommend it, though – it would be a heck of a lot of work for very small profit!). The best use of Chase points is to transfer to airline or hotel partners (when you need them) or to book travel through Chase Ultimate Rewards which makes your points 25% more valuable! I can’t really say enough about how great the Chase points program is. Instead, check out this post from ThePointsGuy. Also note that, unlike the other cards, the bonus points given by the Chase Ink Bold card are not based on calendar year. Instead, they use the anniversary of your enrollment date to determine when a year has elapsed.

There are many ways you can save money and effectively buy points and miles for even less than shown above. For example, you could sign up for American Express’ Premium Shipping Plan which, for $99 per year, will give you unlimited free shipping of gift cards. Even better, you may be able to find cheaper ways of liquidating the American Express gift cards, such as by using (some of) them for daily spend. Let us know in the comments below if you have ideas for saving money or earning more points!

Risks

This mile/point hack is not without risks. I’ll spell out here the ones I can think of:

Credit Card Financial Review

Credit card companies use sophisticated rules engines to determine when there is potentially fraudulent activity on an account. If you do this trick a lot, it is very likely to cause your account to be flagged and reviewed. Many people who have done similar tricks with American Express cards have complained about having their accounts frozen for weeks while the review took place. If this happens to you, be polite and honest about what you’re doing and hopefully you’ll get through it unscathed.

IRS Audit

Starting in 2012, Square will report your transactions to the IRS if you exceed both $20,000 in payments and 200 payments. While there is nothing illegal about this hack, I’m sure you don’t want the headache of explaining these transactions in the case of an audit. Therefore, I’d recommend being very careful to keep the number of credit transactions you accept via Square to fewer than 200.

Cash Advance

This hack works because gift cards are counted as regular purchases by most credit card companies. However, Citibank is known to treat gift card purchases as cash advances instead. If this happens you will not earn points on these purchase, but you will likely incur unpleasant interest charges and fees. Before going full steam ahead with this hack, I’d recommend that you try out a single small gift card purchase to make sure it goes through as a regular purchase.

Conclusion

The technique described in this post offers the possibility of racking up huge amounts of points and miles for very little money. However, the process is complicated and risky. Is it worth it to you? In follow up posts I’ll show how you can leverage this hack to earn additional benefits beyond cheap points such as free flights, airport lounge access, and airline and hotel elite status. Stay tuned.

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Credit card sign-up bonuses these days are amazing: 40,000 miles! 50,000 points! 75,000 miles! And so on. A person can rack up close to a million points a year by signing up for these deals and meeting sign-up requirements. If you’re like me and you apply for and are approved for a bunch of credit cards all at once, your first reaction may be something like “Whoo hoo!” But, a few minutes later, reality will set in and the reaction turns into “Uh, oh…” as you realize that you have to meet some pretty steep spend requirements in order to earn all of those bonus points. Fortunately, if you have an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or an Android device, there is a simple solution that will let you safely meet all of those minimum spend requirements AND get your bonus points and miles faster. Here’s how:

What you need:

  • An iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Android device
  • An account and card reader from Square. Signing up is free and they’ll send you a free card reader as well
  • Download the free Square app to your device (iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Android)
  • An account with the Big Crumbs shopping portal. Big Crumbs gives you cash rebates for online shopping via their site. If you sign up with this link, you will earn the same rate as you would anyway, but you will also do me a favor by helping me earn referral money. Note: you may be tempted to create two accounts so that you may refer yourself or your spouse (in order to get referral money), but Big Crumbs does not allow more than one account per household so I do not recommend attempting this!

What to do (step by step):

STEP 1: Big Crumbs

Go to BigCrumbs.com and sign in. Search for “American Express” and click “Shop Now” in the American Express Gift Cards – Personal store. By going through Big Crumbs, you will receive a rebate of 1.6% for your gift card purchases:


STEP 2: Buy Gift Cards

Add to your cart up to $5000 worth of gift cards. The goal is to buy enough to meet your credit card’s spend requirements with as few gift cards as possible. In this example, I am purchasing $5000 worth of cards:


Next, go to check-out, select Express 2nd Day 8.95 shipping and enter promo code GEN374 in order to reduce your delivery charge to $3.00 even:

Now, buy the gift card(s) with the credit card for which you need to meet a minimum spend. You will be charged $3.95 per card and $3 for shipping. In this example, I paid a total of $5010.90 for $5000 worth of gift cards. But remember that I went through Big Crumbs, so I earned 1.6% back ($80)! It usually takes about a week to receive an email from Big Crumbs showing that you have earned this rebate.

Warning:

I have read from others that the techniques shown here will not work with Citibank cards because they treat gift card purchases as cash advances.

I believe that it will work with most other bank cards, but I have only tried this with American Express cards. If you are unsure about your card, try this technique with a small gift card purchase first.

Also note: some people have had their accounts frozen by American Express for “account review”. It is unclear whether this is due to purchasing very large amounts of gift cards, but it is likely that it is a contributing factor. So, if you do this technique with American Express, be sure to do just the minimum you need.  Please read the comments section at the bottom of this post to help you decide for yourself whether to try this with American Express cards.

STEP 3: Cash in your gift cards

Warning: since writing this post I have learned that using Square in the manner described here may violate the Square User Agreement. See more in this post.

By buying gift cards, you have met your minimum spend AND you’ve made a profit! Also, with many cards, you will receive your bonus points or miles faster for having met the spend requirements quickly. However, you still need to pay your credit card bill when it comes due. This is where your Square reader comes in. Once your gift cards arrive in the mail, you can cash them in through Square for a fee of 2.75% each:

  1. Plug in your Square card reader to your device
  2. Open the Square app and sign in
  3. Type in the $ amount of your gift card and press “charge”.
  4. Swipe the gift card (if you’re like me you’ll have to swipe several times before it takes)
  5. Sign your name and click “no receipt needed”.

Square will deposit the full amount less 2.75% into your bank account that evening. In the example from this post, I cashed in two cards for a total of $5000 less 2.75% ($4,862.50).

Review:

In the examples shown above, I went through the Big Crumbs portal to the American Express gift card store in order to buy $5000 worth of gift cards. I then used Square to turn the gift cards into cash in my bank account. Here is an accounting of my spend:

Transaction

Result

Two gift cards purchased

$-5010.90

Big Crumbs rebate

$+80

Square deposit

$+4862.50

Total:

$-68.40

So, even though I had to pay Square to cash in the gift cards, I ended up only having to pay $68.40 to meet my minimum spend all at once. If you consider the value of a typical credit card bonus (most of the good ones are worth at least $500), spending $68.40 is not bad! Of course, if the minimum spend you are trying to achieve is less than $5000 then your total cost will be proportionally smaller than $68.40.

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