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		<title>By: Points vs $ - FlyerTalk Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Points vs $ - FlyerTalk Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#039;d use the SPG Amex and use it for hotel stays. Check out Ric Garrido&#039;s post from awhile back:   http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyalt...points-awards/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#039;d use the SPG Amex and use it for hotel stays. Check out Ric Garrido&#039;s post from awhile back:   <a href="http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyalt...points-awards/" rel="nofollow">http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyalt&#8230;points-awards/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/2009/10/26/excellent-value-with-spg-cash-points-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-35599</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric, you&#039;re right.  I did it as this equation:

20k = $430 = 8k + $150

and subtracted $150 from $430 = $280, and the 8k from the 20k = 12k.  Somehow it made sense at the time to simplify the equation to:

12k = $280, when technically it should have been:

12k - $150 = $280, or 12k = $430 =  3.5 cents.  

And you&#039;re right, the 20k should have even come into the equation in the first place.  the easy way to do it is the way you did:

$430 = $150 + 8k

$280 = 8k.   $280 / 8k = 3.5 cents.

Sorry, it&#039;s been awhile since I&#039;ve taken Algebra.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, you&#8217;re right.  I did it as this equation:</p>
<p>20k = $430 = 8k + $150</p>
<p>and subtracted $150 from $430 = $280, and the 8k from the 20k = 12k.  Somehow it made sense at the time to simplify the equation to:</p>
<p>12k = $280, when technically it should have been:</p>
<p>12k &#8211; $150 = $280, or 12k = $430 =  3.5 cents.  </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, the 20k should have even come into the equation in the first place.  the easy way to do it is the way you did:</p>
<p>$430 = $150 + 8k</p>
<p>$280 = 8k.   $280 / 8k = 3.5 cents.</p>
<p>Sorry, it&#8217;s been awhile since I&#8217;ve taken Algebra.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Garrido</title>
		<link>http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/2009/10/26/excellent-value-with-spg-cash-points-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-35457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric Garrido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken - I had to think about this for a couple of minutes. Mathematically I think you are looking at this wrong. 

You have three payment choices for a SPG category 6 hotel night:

1)$430 after tax
2)20,000 points
3)$150 + 8,000 points if Cash &amp; Points is available

12,000 points does not come into the equation.

I compared a Cash &amp; Points award to a paid stay. The points-only award is not a factor in this. In general the points-only award will almost always have a lower cash equivalent points value than a Cash &amp; Points award.

I compared a Cash &amp; Points award to a paid hotel night after including tax. In my experience there is generally no hotel tax paid on the cash portion of a Cash &amp; Points award stay although some hotels will charge hotel tax on the cash portion.


Paid night: Assume a SPG category 6 hotel with $385 nightly rate + 12% hotel tax = $431.20 for one night.

A 20,000 points award night would have a value of $431.20/20,000 points = $21.56 per 1,000 Starpoints.

Rather than paying $431.20 or using all points for a free night the better value might be the option of a Cash &amp; Points category 6 award for $150 + 8,000 points.

In this example you are still paying $150 of the $431.20 nightly rate. You are essentially exchanging 8,000 points for $281.20 in cash saved.

$281.20/8,000 points = $35.15 value per 1,000 points.

The simplicity of this points valuation ignores the fact that a paid stay would earn points, elite credit, and likely some kind of SPG promotion credit. 

$385 per night would earn 770 points for a base member or 1,155 points per night for elites. Incidental spend and Platinum amenity will be same for Cash &amp; Points award stay as a paid stay.

The points are redeemed for higher value using Cash &amp; Points ($35.15 per 1,000 points) than using 20,000 points for the free night ($21.56 per 1,000 points).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8211; I had to think about this for a couple of minutes. Mathematically I think you are looking at this wrong. </p>
<p>You have three payment choices for a SPG category 6 hotel night:</p>
<p>1)$430 after tax<br />
2)20,000 points<br />
3)$150 + 8,000 points if Cash &amp; Points is available</p>
<p>12,000 points does not come into the equation.</p>
<p>I compared a Cash &amp; Points award to a paid stay. The points-only award is not a factor in this. In general the points-only award will almost always have a lower cash equivalent points value than a Cash &amp; Points award.</p>
<p>I compared a Cash &amp; Points award to a paid hotel night after including tax. In my experience there is generally no hotel tax paid on the cash portion of a Cash &amp; Points award stay although some hotels will charge hotel tax on the cash portion.</p>
<p>Paid night: Assume a SPG category 6 hotel with $385 nightly rate + 12% hotel tax = $431.20 for one night.</p>
<p>A 20,000 points award night would have a value of $431.20/20,000 points = $21.56 per 1,000 Starpoints.</p>
<p>Rather than paying $431.20 or using all points for a free night the better value might be the option of a Cash &amp; Points category 6 award for $150 + 8,000 points.</p>
<p>In this example you are still paying $150 of the $431.20 nightly rate. You are essentially exchanging 8,000 points for $281.20 in cash saved.</p>
<p>$281.20/8,000 points = $35.15 value per 1,000 points.</p>
<p>The simplicity of this points valuation ignores the fact that a paid stay would earn points, elite credit, and likely some kind of SPG promotion credit. </p>
<p>$385 per night would earn 770 points for a base member or 1,155 points per night for elites. Incidental spend and Platinum amenity will be same for Cash &amp; Points award stay as a paid stay.</p>
<p>The points are redeemed for higher value using Cash &amp; Points ($35.15 per 1,000 points) than using 20,000 points for the free night ($21.56 per 1,000 points).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,

in calculating original room rate after tax, you must mean after tax + not counting the co-pay for Cash &amp; Points. I.e you have category 6, $35 per 1000 = room rate of $430, which saves 12,000 points ($150 + 8,000 vs. 20,000).  

However, the original room rate would have to be $580 after tax for the redemption to be $35/1000.

$580 = 20,000 = ($150 + 8,000).  12,000 pts = $430, = $35.8 per 1000 pts.  At an after tax room rate of $430 originally, the calculation is as such:

$430 = 20,000 = ($150 + 8,000), or $280 = 12,000 pts.  Redemption of $23.3 per 1,000 pts.  Am I looking at this wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,</p>
<p>in calculating original room rate after tax, you must mean after tax + not counting the co-pay for Cash &amp; Points. I.e you have category 6, $35 per 1000 = room rate of $430, which saves 12,000 points ($150 + 8,000 vs. 20,000).  </p>
<p>However, the original room rate would have to be $580 after tax for the redemption to be $35/1000.</p>
<p>$580 = 20,000 = ($150 + 8,000).  12,000 pts = $430, = $35.8 per 1000 pts.  At an after tax room rate of $430 originally, the calculation is as such:</p>
<p>$430 = 20,000 = ($150 + 8,000), or $280 = 12,000 pts.  Redemption of $23.3 per 1,000 pts.  Am I looking at this wrong?</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; What is the Value of Hotel Points? Loyalty Traveler: Hotel Value for Frequent Guests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>online stock trading guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hotel award value. The tables were based on the purchase price of $35 per 1,000 points needed for Cash &amp; Points awards, free night awards, and 5th night free awards. These awards are even a better bargain at lower room [...]</description>
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