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	<title>Comments on: The Prestigious &#8220;Earlier than the Other Guys&#8221; Award</title>
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		<title>By: The Best Airline Based on Delays &#124; Visual Storytelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Best Airline Based on Delays &#124; Visual Storytelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post on airline arrival delays.  Well worth your time reading the approach to cancel out weather and busy airports to arrive at a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Avoid Flight Delays by Considering Airline On-Time Performance &#124; BNET</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avoid Flight Delays by Considering Airline On-Time Performance &#124; BNET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Things in the Sky published an interesting analysis of airline performance. They started with the DOT&#8217;s official record of arrival delays. This monthly press release [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Arup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis! Surprising results for me as I frequently fly the major Chicago airlines and United always seems to have more delays than Southwest, but perhaps ORD is more delayed than MDW...

Did you consider that an airline&#039;s dominance at a particular airport could skew the results? E.g., United/AA may set the average at ORD or Southwest may set the average at MDW, reducing their normalized delay times. Perhaps in calculating the normalized delays for an airline at an airport, you could calculate the average delays excluding that airline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis! Surprising results for me as I frequently fly the major Chicago airlines and United always seems to have more delays than Southwest, but perhaps ORD is more delayed than MDW&#8230;</p>
<p>Did you consider that an airline&#8217;s dominance at a particular airport could skew the results? E.g., United/AA may set the average at ORD or Southwest may set the average at MDW, reducing their normalized delay times. Perhaps in calculating the normalized delays for an airline at an airport, you could calculate the average delays excluding that airline?</p>
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		<title>By: Sai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I have a really hard time believing that United comes out on top. I haven&#039;t paid attention to your methods but maybe there is something that we&#039;re missing that is inaccurately putting this airline on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I have a really hard time believing that United comes out on top. I haven&#8217;t paid attention to your methods but maybe there is something that we&#8217;re missing that is inaccurately putting this airline on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t think is taken into account here is departure delays.  Maybe it was, but wasn&#039;t mentioned.  Most flights I&#039;m on that are late are due to departure delays at the departure airport itself.

So while we may board on time, but the plane may wait on the tarmac for an hour or more before clearance is given by the destination airport to depart, or if there is just a delay due to heavy traffic, etc.

This frequently happens to me leaving to go to Atlanta.  So this may account for some of Comair&#039;s poor performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t think is taken into account here is departure delays.  Maybe it was, but wasn&#8217;t mentioned.  Most flights I&#8217;m on that are late are due to departure delays at the departure airport itself.</p>
<p>So while we may board on time, but the plane may wait on the tarmac for an hour or more before clearance is given by the destination airport to depart, or if there is just a delay due to heavy traffic, etc.</p>
<p>This frequently happens to me leaving to go to Atlanta.  So this may account for some of Comair&#8217;s poor performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Relative Performance, Conditional Formatting and Outliers &#171; SQL Business Intelligence Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Relative Performance, Conditional Formatting and Outliers &#171; SQL Business Intelligence Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a PowerPivot solution using the calculations for relative airline performance published on the “Things in the Sky” blog.&#160; In short, the author was using the Bureau of Transportations Statistics data on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: miller22</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

The schedule padding is kind of a touchy subject.  People don&#039;t like to see their airline score poorly (reference the Delta pilot in the LifeHacker comments).  It&#039;s easy to say United pads their schedule and that&#039;s cheating.

But like you said, is it cheating?  If United has a padded schedule, they have to fly that padded schedule 100% of the time.  Pilots are paid based on that schedule which increases costs, and also limits your ability to schedule effectively.  It&#039;s a give-and-take game that I wouldn&#039;t call cheating at all.

I like your idea of using stage length, and might consider that for the June numbers.  You&#039;re right in suggesting that it has a factor, but I&#039;d be willing to guess it&#039;s a negative factor.  Long flights have more time in the air to make up delays, and are less affected by the cause of most delays, the airports.  Just a guess, but I&#039;d be interested in finding out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>The schedule padding is kind of a touchy subject.  People don&#8217;t like to see their airline score poorly (reference the Delta pilot in the LifeHacker comments).  It&#8217;s easy to say United pads their schedule and that&#8217;s cheating.</p>
<p>But like you said, is it cheating?  If United has a padded schedule, they have to fly that padded schedule 100% of the time.  Pilots are paid based on that schedule which increases costs, and also limits your ability to schedule effectively.  It&#8217;s a give-and-take game that I wouldn&#8217;t call cheating at all.</p>
<p>I like your idea of using stage length, and might consider that for the June numbers.  You&#8217;re right in suggesting that it has a factor, but I&#8217;d be willing to guess it&#8217;s a negative factor.  Long flights have more time in the air to make up delays, and are less affected by the cause of most delays, the airports.  Just a guess, but I&#8217;d be interested in finding out.</p>
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		<title>By: JV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting, but still doesn&#039;t really paint a true picture. United, for example, is notorious for padding its flight times - so a 3:30 airtime ORD-LAS flight, for example, might have a scheduled duration of 4:30. If the flight leaves the gate 30 min. late but gets into the small LAS airport easily, voila, it&#039;s 30 min. early! (Wow, we musta &quot;made up time&quot; in the air!).

Worse, they can push back the flight on time even though they know there&#039;s a ground stop, leave you sitting on the tarmac for an hour, and that flight then posts as both departing and arriving on time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting, but still doesn&#8217;t really paint a true picture. United, for example, is notorious for padding its flight times &#8211; so a 3:30 airtime ORD-LAS flight, for example, might have a scheduled duration of 4:30. If the flight leaves the gate 30 min. late but gets into the small LAS airport easily, voila, it&#8217;s 30 min. early! (Wow, we musta &#8220;made up time&#8221; in the air!).</p>
<p>Worse, they can push back the flight on time even though they know there&#8217;s a ground stop, leave you sitting on the tarmac for an hour, and that flight then posts as both departing and arriving on time!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this analysis quite a bit.  

Airlines should pad their schedules based on historical wait times at different airports.  

If the airline knows that at 16:00 at LAX there will be a 10-15 minute wait before they can push back, they should add this into the total flight time. When a flight is delayed, it is more important to the passenger if they are able to make their connecting flight, vs someone who will arrive at their final destination a few minutes late.

Additionally if the flight pushes back early, the pilot can extend the flight time by 5 or 10 minutes to burn less fuel. Which is becoming a bigger and bigger concern for the airlines. 


The additional step you could make in the analysis is comparing delays based on stage length.  HA flies a bunch of really short flights, between the islands.  The only have a handful of longer stage length flights between Hawaii and the mainland, and Hawaii and their international destinations.  I think you would see HA fall like a stone in the rankings.

Most of the short haul flights for the legacy carriers are flown under contract and consumers don&#039;t realize it isn&#039;t actually UA, DL, or AA flying the short connecting flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this analysis quite a bit.  </p>
<p>Airlines should pad their schedules based on historical wait times at different airports.  </p>
<p>If the airline knows that at 16:00 at LAX there will be a 10-15 minute wait before they can push back, they should add this into the total flight time. When a flight is delayed, it is more important to the passenger if they are able to make their connecting flight, vs someone who will arrive at their final destination a few minutes late.</p>
<p>Additionally if the flight pushes back early, the pilot can extend the flight time by 5 or 10 minutes to burn less fuel. Which is becoming a bigger and bigger concern for the airlines. </p>
<p>The additional step you could make in the analysis is comparing delays based on stage length.  HA flies a bunch of really short flights, between the islands.  The only have a handful of longer stage length flights between Hawaii and the mainland, and Hawaii and their international destinations.  I think you would see HA fall like a stone in the rankings.</p>
<p>Most of the short haul flights for the legacy carriers are flown under contract and consumers don&#8217;t realize it isn&#8217;t actually UA, DL, or AA flying the short connecting flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a passenger what I would like to see is results for the express/regional brands of each of the majors that are operated under the major&#039;s code.

For example, since United contracts out about 2,000 (or 60 percent) of its flights to United Express carriers such as SkyWest, Mesa, etc.) what would make sense is something like:

United: x percent (combined average between all UA/UAX flights)
- United Express (combined average between all UAX carriers/flights)
- United (mainline)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a passenger what I would like to see is results for the express/regional brands of each of the majors that are operated under the major&#8217;s code.</p>
<p>For example, since United contracts out about 2,000 (or 60 percent) of its flights to United Express carriers such as SkyWest, Mesa, etc.) what would make sense is something like:</p>
<p>United: x percent (combined average between all UA/UAX flights)<br />
- United Express (combined average between all UAX carriers/flights)<br />
- United (mainline)</p>
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