A few weeks ago (April 27), I had the opportunity to chat with Virgin America’s CEO, David Cush. Unfortunately, final exams happened and I got way behind on writing up this piece. Better late than never, I suppose.
In the past with executive interviews I’ve bounced between posting them or installments or going in one shot. This time I’ve selected the latter. The post below is pretty lengthy, but I think you’ll find some of the topics covered, such as hedging, growth plans, fleet moves, and distribution pretty interesting.
The interview was prompted by Virgin’s fourth quarter results, though we didn’t talk about those much. The carrier did not achieve a full-year operating profit as it had predicted in the past, though its operating and net income for 2010 improved compared to a year prior. Results for the fourth quarter, however, were slightly worse than a year prior. Virgin’s net loss for the quarter was $25.1 million, compared to $18.8 million one year ago, for example.
Anyway, on to the interview.
My first question for David was on Virgin’s fuel hedging efforts. Virgin’s earnings release mentioned that the airline had hedged for roughly half of its 2011 fuel consumption. The day before I interviewed David, Delta said when it announced its first quarter results that it would be shifting many of its hedging positions away from West Texas Intermediate to Brent crude (and heating oil), saying that it “repositioned its fuel hedge portfolio in response to the dislocation in price of West Texas Intermediate crude oil (“WTI”) to jet fuel.”
David said that Virgin has no plans for a similar move, saying that “the spread is already…pretty wide given its historical averages. Basically, if we moved into Brent now, we would be buying that spread. I certainly wish I had moved into Brent six months ago, but doing it now in our view is essentially…betting on a widening spread between WTI and Brent, and we don’t anticipate that happening, the $12-14 right now we think is about as wide as it will go.”
[Ed. Note – over the past month the spread has roughly stayed in that range.]

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Virgin has decided to slow its growth plans, and will be taking six fewer aircraft in 2012 and seven fewer in 2013 than originally planned. I asked David what that meant in terms of new Virgin cities. “What that probably means is two destinations fewer in 2012 and one or two in 2013,” he replied.
The decision to take on thirteen less aircraft does not, however, affect Virgin’s recent order with Airbus for 60 aircraft (30 A320s with sharklets and 30 A320neos). “We’re taking the full orderbook as scheduled from Airbus,” said David. If Virgin was planning to take on those thirteen aircraft in the 2012-2013 time period, it would have reached out to lessors.
Despite slower-than-planned fleet growth in the near-term, Virgin still aims to expand its route map during this time period. David told me it is “highly likely” will add one more destination this year, “likely in the fourth quarter” and “given the aircraft we have coming next year I would imagine we would add one or two destinations in 2012 and one or two destinations in 2013,” he added.
I was wondering what Virgin’s needs for financing in the future would be. David said that “with current fuel prices and current ticket prices, essentially the entire industry is going to be running big operating losses so that will drive some capital needs. But what we expect to happen is either fuel prices will come down or either ticket prices will come up to balance with fuel prices. Assuming we get that balance…in some reasonable amount of time…then at that point we have no additional capital needs going forward, that we’ve arraigned for the capital that we need.”
“The only capital we will end up needing, off course, is for the aircraft coming beginning in 2013,” David added.
Since David mentioned ticket prices, I decided to ask how much of Virgin’s higher fuel prices the airline as able recover. “We think we’ve captured about half of it. The unfortunate thing, of course, is given how rapidly fuel prices have gone up, only capturing half of isn’t great…we’re hopeful that if fuel prices stabilize where they are today or drop, that we’ll still see some pricing traction going forward,” he said.

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With that, I moved on to some individual markets. I was very interested in David’s thoughts on Dallas-Fort Worth, especially. DOT traffic data has shown that flights in January were roughly half-full. Granted, it’s a new market that’s a fortress hub, but that seemed low. David told me that DFW is “a tough market. We knew it would be going in. First quarter’s not a great quarter for DFW. What we saw was traffic growth throughout the quarter. We were quite happy with the way March turned out.” (Virgin later told me they had achieved a 71% load factor on DFW-LAX in March.) David also mentioned that Virgin had added a third frequency on both of its DFW routes in April, and that it would “take us a little while to fill the loads backup with that extra frequency.”
I then moved on to Chicago, where Virgin will launch service next week. David told me that Virgin is “quite happy with the way Chicago’s going” and that “it’s booked at about the same level as the rest of our long-haul network, which is unusual for a new market.”
As we approached the end of the interview, I asked about Virgin’s plans to codeshare with V Australia/Virgin Australia. Originally there was talk of a filing with the DOT for that partnership at the end of last year. According to David, however, the deal has been delayed because Virgin America has all “internal resources focused on a successful and uneventful transition” to Sabre, which is slated to be completed by October 2011. This upgrade will make it easier for Virgin America to participate in codeshare partnerships, and “by [the] first quarter of 2012, you’ll see us doing a number of these codeshares,” said David.
Speaking of Sabre, I chatted quickly with David about distribution and why Virgin was pursuing the upgrade earlier in its history than, say, JetBlue. “Knowing the power of distribution, that’s really motivated us to go forward with this…I know what this…can do on the revenue side,” he said.
Since David mentioned the revenue benefits, I figured I’d ask about the distribution issues going on at American, where that carrier is focusing on the costs of using the GDS system. “What they’re doing makes a lot of sense for them, what’s we’re doing makes a lot of sense for us,” said David. He proposed that if you compare the two carriers, a far greater share of Virgin’s tickets are sold by the airline directly when compared to American.
Overall, I was pleased with the interview. I wish I had focused a bit more on financial results, but fortunately I’ll have another chance to catch up with Virgin this week (hopefully).
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