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The Latest on Delta-V

I had been meaning for awhile to write about the latest on the proposed immunized alliance between Delta and Virgin Blue, V Australia, and Pacific Blue, but I got stuck into schoolwork. The re-branding that Virgin just accomplished and the expansion of the existing codeshare agreement, however, got me thinking about it again.

Last year, the DOT tentatively denied the application for anti-trust immunity. You can read the entire ruling here, but this line sums it up pretty well:

There is little evidence at this point to conclude that the proposed alliance will benefit consumers to the degree necessary to justify a grant of antitrust immunity.

Since then, Virgin and Delta have been working to help make this deal work. There have been a couple of interesting DOT filings of late that outline their progress.

One issue mentioned in an October filing from the carriers was that while “the V Australia and Delta systems are already fully compatible” there was a “compatibility issue is with Virgin Blue’s short haul networkreservation system, which is hosted by Navitaire.” The carriers reported, however, that they had “devised a manual work-around solution, which they arecurrently using to support the limited beyond codesharing that has been implemented.”

More progress on this front was made a couple of weeks ago, as Delta reported to the DOT that Virgin Blue had completed a systems upgrade on April 17. Because of the change, “compatible systems and procedures are now in place to support automated codesharing acrossthe Delta/Virgin Blue Group networks under the proposed joint venture, including the display of DL* code on flights operated by Virgin Blue and Pacific Blue,” according to Delta.

Another interesting filing that had cropped up of late was the public version of the capacity commitment between Delta and Virgin. We had known for awhile about this agreement. In a January filing, the carriers said they had committed to not “reduce nonstop service between the U.S. and Australia below their respective historicalservice baselines as a result of the Department’s approval of and grant of antitrust immunity.”

The public version of the agreement has further details. Will Horton has a pretty in-depth look at the details over at his Wings Down Under blog, but I’ll provide the highlights here.

Both airlines plan to maintain historical levels of service. On Delta’s side that means seven departures from the United States during the peak season and six during other times. For V Australia it will be 14 departures during the peak season and 11 in off-peak times. Each carrier will operate a peak schedule for at least six months of the year.

The airlines do say, however, that they might have to reduce service in the case of extreme factors beyond their control. They specifically mention the price of WTI crude going over $120, a drop in the AUD:USD exchange rate below 0.8:1, a drop in the Dow below 9,000 or the ASX below 4,000, and events like natural disasters and terror attacks. If the carriers end up reducing service due to external factors, they will “seek prior approval from DOT to continue the effectiveness of antitrust immunity absent the capacity commitment.”

Interesting stuff – let’s see if the DOT likes what it sees.

DOT Not Ready to Make a Decision on Delta-V

It’s been a few months since I’ve written about the proposed joint venture between Delta and Virgin Blue (or Delta-V for short). In September, the DOT tentatively denied the application for immunity, something the Aussies weren’t too happy about. Delta and Virgin, did, however, have the chance to reply to the order.

After reviewing the information supplied by the carriers, the DOT still isn’t ready to approve the deal, saying that Delta and Virgin need to give them more information (quoted from the DOT order):

  1. Updated and finalized written alliance agreements incorporating the proposed commercial changes and capacity commitments;
  2. A report on the Navitaire programming and testing process and the date on which the upgrade was completed;
  3. A detailed status report on any third-country regulatory or other approvals required to implement the revised alliance agreements or an explanation of why approvals are not required; and
  4. At such time as the Applicants submit the above information, they should also provide the latest available passenger and fare data, with additional explanation, to substantiate their assessment that market conditions have stabilized.

Just to provide some background on that third request – further work is needed for Delta and Virgin’s systems to be completely compatible. According to the airlines, “the only compatibility issue is with Virgin Blue’s short haul network reservation system, which is hosted by Navitaire.” They are working on this issue and plan to have a solution implemented in February.

Anyway – I do hope this gets approved eventually. While the number of players in the transpacific market would be reduced from four to three – it’s hard to judge if the current situation is sustainable. Allowing these two new entrants into this sector would create a stronger competitor against United and Qantas

DOT Proposes Denial of Virgin Blue-Delta Tie Up

Interesting news came out of the DOT yesterday, when the regulatory agency announced it is proposing to deny the application of Virgin Blue and Delta for a joint venture covering transpacific flights.

The move might seem a bit odd at face value, especially after the DOT has granted anti-trust immunity over the Atlantic for the big three alliances, with oneworld’s approval (finally) in July.

So the question is – why deny the agreement? The DOT cited a few big reasons. From the news release:

In reaching its tentative decision, the Department noted that Delta and its partners have only recently entered the U.S.-Australia market, have not shown developed plans to operate as commercial partners, and have limited their cooperation to a handful of routes, thereby limiting the public benefits their alliance might produce. The Department also said that Delta and the Virgin Blue Group had failed to show that their alliance would have positive effects for consumers, such as lower fares or increased capacity.

That quote explains it all. Though I do have a couple of thoughts on the points brought up.

One item mentioned by the DOT is that the relationship between Delta and Virgin is still very new – the partnership was originally announced last July and codesharing only began in January – and as a result the DOT says “there is not enough” information to judge whether the partnership will be a win for travelers. Compare this to the ATI agreements approve over the Atlantic – those partnerships started forming about ten years ago.

But two quotes in the proposed decision really stood out to me:

…the conditions in the U.S.-Australia market are in an extraordinary state of flux. Since the applicants entered the market independently, prices and capacity have changed dramatically. In these circumstances, the applicants have not shown that immunized cooperation would yield substantially more public benefits than a continuation of the current competition between them.

The weight of the evidence suggests that the primary effect of a grant of antitrust immunity at this time would be to improve the market share of Delta and V Australia…

The argument of Delta and Virgin is that their joint venture will create a stronger competitor against United and Qantas – but apparently the DOT isn’t buying it.

So where do we go from here? The decision isn’t final, and there are now 14 days for comments. So it will be interesting to see what Delta and Virgin argue.

And thinking longer-term – do Delta and Virgin keep codesharing if the deal doesn’t happen? Is it sustainable to have four competitors flying between LA and Sydney? Where exactly does Virgin America fit in as one of Blue’s American partners?

Meanwhile, Ben Sandilands has some interesting thoughts on where Singapore fits in for all of this.

Anyway – just my initial thoughts on the move. Apologies again for the odd posting times this week — expect things to return to normal next week.

Virgin America and Virgin Blue Get Closer

Yesterday Virgin Blue and Virgin America announced that they would expand their already existing partnership, adding reciprocal frequent flier benefits in addition to the current interline agreement between the two carriers. So passengers will now be able to earn points either in Virgin America’s Elevate program or Blue’s Velocity program.

There aren’t a whole lot of details about using the points yet, though Virgin America says its members will be able to start using their points later this year. Flights on V Australia will start at 40,000 points and flights on Virgin blue start at 6,000.

Another interesting part of the partnership is a new crew exchange program between the two carriers, which is something that Virgin Blue has done with Virgin Atlantic in the past. So Virgin America flight attendants can go work on Virgin Blue flights (not V Australia) for a year, and vice-versa. Virgin America says that “the goal of the program is to give each airline’s teammates the chance to experience work and life at another Virgin-branded carrier.” I think this is a great opportunity for employees to get the experience of living abroad, and also try to learn from the other company.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmyharris/ / CC BY 2.0

Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Blue Add Perks for Each Others’ Elites

On Monday, Virgin Atlantic announced additional cooperation with fellow Virgin airlines Virgin Blue and V Australia, Virgin Blue’s long-haul airline. Since July, Virgin Atlantic passengers have been able to earn Flying Club miles on Virgin Blue flights, and Virgin Blue travelers could earn Velocity points on Virgin Atlantic. But now elites of both programs are getting some extra perks as well.

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Virgin Atlantic says that Silver and Gold members of its Flying Club program will get perks like priority check-in and luggage, and Gold members will receive free lounge access. And while it’s not mentioned in the Virgin Atlantic press release, Gold members of Virgin Blue’s Velocity program receive free lounge access to some Virgin Atlantic Clubhouses, priority check-in, priority boarding, and others when flying with Virgin Atlantic.

“Through this arrangement we are able to further reward those who prefer to fly with and remain loyal to Virgin branded airlines,” said Steve Ridgway, Virgin Atlantic CEO. While I do not what to read too much into that soundbite, it sounds to me like Virgin is working on getting some kind of alliance going. Granted, there’s only so much they can do with a few carriers, but it’s still very interesting, and I wonder where Virgin America fits into this picture. It was announced last year that the carrier would get closer to Virgin Blue and allow passengers to earn miles in either loyalty program (the two carriers already have an interline agreement).

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/moody75/ / CC BY-SA 2.0

NBTA: Virgin Blue’s (Now) Hypocritical Business Cards

The Virgin booth at the NBTA conference was one of my favorites (more on that later), but I noticed something interesting on the back of a Virgin Blue business card that I received – the Boeing logo and “if it ain’t a Boeing, I ain’t going.”

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I found this pretty interesting, considering that the airline operates both the E-170 and E-190. I’ve been told by Virgin Blue, however, that these are the old business cards.

I know – I notice completely random things. :P