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	<title>Comments on: Southwest Makes Excuses for Losses</title>
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	<description>Putting a little thought into a lot of travel</description>
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		<title>By: Online Travel Review &#187; The Other Side of Fuel Hedging: Huge Losses</title>
		<link>http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2008/10/19/southwest-makes-excuses-for-losses/comment-page-1/#comment-28851</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Travel Review &#187; The Other Side of Fuel Hedging: Huge Losses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Northwest, United and Southwest have all announced large non-cash charges related to a decrease in the value of the hedges because of the price of fuel.  (Gary from View from the Wing explains it all far better than I can here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Northwest, United and Southwest have all announced large non-cash charges related to a decrease in the value of the hedges because of the price of fuel.  (Gary from View from the Wing explains it all far better than I can here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Webb</title>
		<link>http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2008/10/19/southwest-makes-excuses-for-losses/comment-page-1/#comment-28422</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to comment again...good quote from NYT:

&quot;The contracts’ value reflected the drop in the price of oil. But under federal accounting rules, Southwest must exclude about 10 percent of its future contracts, and value them at current prices.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to comment again&#8230;good quote from NYT:</p>
<p>&#8220;The contracts’ value reflected the drop in the price of oil. But under federal accounting rules, Southwest must exclude about 10 percent of its future contracts, and value them at current prices.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Webb</title>
		<link>http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2008/10/19/southwest-makes-excuses-for-losses/comment-page-1/#comment-28414</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think here&#039;s what&#039;s going on...

&quot;Southwest’s earnings from operations number mentions that it includes fuel hedge gains on contracts that closed during the quarter. But if you include the upside of hedging, is it really fair to exclude fuel hedge investments that appear to be under water?&quot;

I believe the difference is that they closed. The special items are just the value of current contracts - this is why Southwest&#039;s profit was bolstered by special items in the second quarter.

Another thing that needs to be considered is that I believe WN uses options for most of its hedges, so it pays a premium in exchange for not being obligated to make the final transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Southwest’s earnings from operations number mentions that it includes fuel hedge gains on contracts that closed during the quarter. But if you include the upside of hedging, is it really fair to exclude fuel hedge investments that appear to be under water?&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the difference is that they closed. The special items are just the value of current contracts &#8211; this is why Southwest&#8217;s profit was bolstered by special items in the second quarter.</p>
<p>Another thing that needs to be considered is that I believe WN uses options for most of its hedges, so it pays a premium in exchange for not being obligated to make the final transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was the Boyd Group that said it some time ago -- Southwest is an oil-hedging (speculating) company that just happens to run a successful airline on the side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was the Boyd Group that said it some time ago &#8212; Southwest is an oil-hedging (speculating) company that just happens to run a successful airline on the side.</p>
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