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I’ve been recommending the Starwood American Express card for years, I first got it in 2001 and it’s held a place in my wallet since then. I think I must have converted a Delta card, since my ‘member since’ date is 2000 and I don’t think I had an Amex card, at least continuously, before that.
Deals We Like recently extolled the virtues of the Starwood American Express card as a tool for earning airline miles through credit card spend. This is a very reasonable take, because:
- Starwood has a large number of airline transfer partners, far larger than American Express Membership Rewards and Chase Ultimate Rewards.
- Starwood points don’t transfer one-to-one (except to United/Continental where it’s two-to-one, but for Star Alliance awards just transfer to another partner like US Airways), they add in a 5000 mile bonus when transferring points to 20,000 miles. That’s a 25% bonus on every 20,000 miles transferred.
It’s hard to downplay the value and importance of their myriad transfer partners. They even transfer to both Emirates Skywards and Japan Airlines Mileage Bank — two options you won’t often use, until of course you really really want to book Emirates first class awards on an A380 (onboard shower!).
The value is both earning power — the American Mastercard earns 1 mile per dollar spent, the Starwood Amex effectively earns 1.25 miles per dollar spent (including transfer bonus), and at a lower annual fee — and about flexibility, when you use the American Mastercard you have American miles, when you have the Starwood Amex you have your choice of hotel stays or miles in most frequent flyer programs. And you get to choose later.
Deals We Like acknowledges that the signup bonus on the card is ‘only’ 25,000 points. Which, transferred to most airlines, is 30,000 miles (or 3 nights at the Westin next door to my office, and that can be stretched to a week with the cash and points redemption option).
That’s certainly not as attractive as a 75,000 mile or 100,000 mile signup bonus offered recently with the American card, and the best current signup bonus offer of 50,000 miles is bigger as well.
But this underscores a very important point — there are essentially three types of credit cards you might carry:
- Credit cards you get just for the signup bonus. Grab the 100,000 miles or 50,000 miles and run. They reward you richly for getting the card, but the value of putting actual spending on the card is fairly low. I put the American Airlines Mastercard/Visa/Amex squarely in this camp.
- Credit cards you get for the benefits rather than the points. Again, you hold the card but you don’t put more spending on it than you need to. Good examples are American Express Platinum for the lounge access (and for some, the ability to charge very large sums), Alaska Airlines Visa (for the $99 companion ticket that’s valid even in first class), Hilton Surpass American Express ($40,000 in spend earns Diamond status), and airline and hotel co-branded cards where you need nights, stays, or elite qualifying miles earned based on spending in order to achieve status with the program.
- Credit cards you actually want to use for expenses. And Starwood American Express is one of those. It’s a better bonus than it used to be, I didn’t even get a bonus over a decade ago when I first acquired the card. But it’s really about good return on spending.
Note that the best current offer for the American Express Platinum card I’m aware of comes with 25,000 Membership Rewards points at signup. There was a recent offer for 50,000 points that says it’s expired. Some folks have gotten 50,000 points for the $25 more expensive Mercedes Benz co-branded credit card. But again, this is a card mostly for the benefits of having it rather than for the spend. (Update: in the comments Jared provides a link that is working for the 50,000 point signup bonus for American Express Platinum.)
But back to the card at hand, it’s worth pointing out some drawbacks. They don’t offer much in the way of earning bonuses, there’s effectively a perpetual 25% transfer bonus in effect but they aren’t going to reward you double or triple points for gas and groceries.
And transfers to airline programs can take awhile, for instance transfers to American generally take 5-7 days and seem to post only on Wednesdays. The ability to transfer points is phenomenal, but it’s not as though you can generally put an award seat on hold and then transfer the points in from Starwood. You very much run the risk that if you find an award and transfer points, by the time those points are available the seats could be gone. It’s a card you make with in advance, rather than reacting on the fly to specific mileage award availability.
To me, the card is part of my core portfolio.
I use Chase Sapphire Preferred for non-Starwood travel spend (and I happen to use the American Express Premier Rewards Gold for airfare, but that’s a niche need I have). I use it for restaurant spend. Sapphire Preferred bonuses those categories at 2 points per dollar. And of course Sapphire Preferred also earns a 7% annual bonus on all points earned. I also use the card for transactions outside the United States because it doesn’t add foreign currency conversion fees (I even used it last month at two Hilton properties, even though the Hilton Surpass Amex earns 9 HHonors points per dollar, I’ll take 2 Chase Ultimate Rewards points and no foreign currency conversion fee over 9 HHonors points and such a fee. And I”ll transfer the points over to United or Hyatt). Finally I use the card with merchants, like my dry cleaner, who don’t take American Express. For this level of usefulness I even asked whether it’s the king of credit cards.
Since I do have the Amex Premier Rewards Gold, that gets gas and groceries too since it bonuses that spend. But otherwise most of the rest of my spending goes on the Starwood American Express. Because I’ll take 1 Starwood point (1.25 miles in lots of programs, transferring slowly) over 1 Chase Ultimate Reward point (1.07 miles in a limited number of programs, transferred to anyone’s account that I wish instantly).
I do have specialty cards, the ones for the signup bonuses (and I put spending on to meet minimum spend requirements) and the ones for the benefits (Amex Platinum, Hilton Surpass Amex for instance and I may have to get myself a Citi Executive card for the elite qualifying miles). But those aren’t about what I put spending on, at least more than I have to in order to earn the benefits, since they’re about the benefits not the points.
Now, I’ve also had the Starwood American Express small business card. I signup up just for the bonus points when the card was still on offer. I cancelled it, moving the credit over to other cards, not realizing some of the benefits I’d be missing out on. Having waited a few years I may try to get the card (and concomitant signup bonus) again.
See, I didn’t fully realize the value of automatic discounts through Amex’s small business program that the Starwood small business card is a part of. You can double dip with coupons and miles and still get 5% cash back in the form of a statement credit sending flowers through 1-800-Flowers. If you pay for Hyatt stays with the Starwood small business Amex you get 3% back. Earning one Starpoint and 3% cash is probably better even than putting Hyatt charges on a Hyatt Visa where the bonus Is 3 Gold Passport points per dollar. Or at least it’s a very close call. Several more discounts apply that I could be taking advantage of automatically with this card.
Since both the personal Starwood Amex and the small business version offer 2 stays and 5 nights towards status, and you can have both cards and earn both bonuses, from credit cards you can be 4 stays or 10 nights on your way to elite levels. And with award nights counting towards status, a high-spending American Express cardholder could earn Platinum status off their card membership and redemptions.
There’s a reason this card has held a strong place in my wallet for more than a decade.
For years my number one recommended credit card has been the Starwood American Express. To be sure, using the credit card links in this post now will earn me a referral credit. I can only imagine how many thousands of card signups took place where I told Amex just to keep that since I wasn’t set up to receive those. You don’t have to use my link for the card, of course, but it’s the best-available offer that I’m aware of and I certainly appreciate it.








Don said,
Thanks again for another look back on credit card opportunities.I would agree that SPG Amex Open Business Network is probably a better place to charge Hyatt stays
than the Hyatt Visa.The one exception just may be overseas as Amex charges foreign transaction fees and the Hyatt Visa doesn’t
Cheers
kris said,
I love this card. I’m using it for pretty much everything right now (except for dining, which goes on my Sapphire Preferred), and I’m planning to use the points to top off THREE different frequent flier accounts to reach the thresholds I need for award tickets to Europe and Asia. It makes things so much easier
Anita said,
Thanks! Your second category, cards you hold for the benefits, is one I’d like to see covered in a lot more detail. What are the best benefits, aside from initial points and miles) of each credit card? I would love to see a round-up of the best benefits. I think there are some cards that award bonus points for hitting a certain spend threshold.
Another interesting post would be an in-depth comparison of the companion fares offered with various credit cards . Most are good only for 48 contiguous states, but I believe Alaska also includes Hawaii. Do any include Caribbean? Or transcontinental?
And how easy are they to redeem? Delta companion certificates can be redeemed online; with US Air you need to mail in the voucher. And so on.
NYBanker said,
With Amex MR, while the earn rate is usually only 1 mile per dollar, readers should also consider that Amex MR usually offers a handful of pretty compelling transfer bonuses each year. I suspect you would cite that the two most recent have been to programs you generally don’t find to be useful (DL and BA), but 40-50% bonuses to those carriers are very valuable to many and go a long way to reducing costs.
I just used 400k DL points for four j tickets to Paris…on the same AF flights (on the exact dates i wanted to travel, too!). Transferred from Amex MR with their xfer bonus, that used up only 270k in spend.
The biggest drawback of mr points frankly is the bad ratio transferring into Starwood points! I’ve been able to get spg redemptions at north of 10 cents per point (at St Regis properties) so I’ve sucked it up and done the bad ratio transfer…thankfully there was even a MR->SPG bonus under way at the time!
Mike said,
Are you sure having both cards earn u those nights and stays? Their tc says you wont.
Carl said,
@Mike – I have both versions of the Amex SW and I get the annual stay/night credit for both cards. Thus, I get credit for 4 stays and 10 nights every year.
scrooge said,
Hi. Off the subject, and maybe I have too much times on my hands, but, how many people think the term “spend” is used when one would think it should be “spending”?
Jared said,
@Gary: For what it’s worth, this Amex Platinum link is still valid offering 50k points with $1k spend in 3 months. (It’s not an affiliate link…)
http://bit.ly/vMnEUz
Gary said,
@don agree about the foreign currency transaction fees. still i might prefer to pay for hyatts abroad with chase sapphire preferred (2.14 united miles) rather than hyatt visa (3 hyatt points) and no foreign fees in either case.
Gary said,
@Jared thanks – the link I had previously blogged about wasn’t working when i researched the blog post over the weekend, glad to have one that does work, and have updated the post!
David said,
Gary, you left at the fact that Starwood has great redemptions available for its hotels. I stayed at the Sheraton Stockholm on the executive lounge level for five nights this past Summer for only 46,000 points (40K plus 1,500 a night for executive). The hotel without lounge was going for $600 a night when I booked the reservation. Someone who checked in just before me asked about the executive level, it was an extra $80 a night. So they gave me a room worth over $3,400 for 46,000 points. Not bad!
Anon256 said,
I’m kind of confused by the value people place on the 5k-bonus-for-20k-transfers SPG benefit. If you get a 20k+ signup bonus then the 5k extra helps it go further, but beyond that, since my only way of earning SPG points would be through credit card spend, it would take me 3+ years putting all my spend on it to get enough points to be able to transfer 20k at once (and longer if stopped to make the min spend for other cards’ signup bonuses). Realistically I’d want to transfer SPG points out in much smaller quantities to top up airline accounts that were a few thousand miles short of an award, but in this usage case the 5k bonus is never relevant. But without that bonus, the comparison with Chase Sapphire is much less favourable.
MileCardInsider said,
Still like the Starwood primarily for the high value hotel and cash and points awards.
But the multi-day lag for mile transfer makes me skittish to use that for other than topping off a program where I frequently use miles already.
toomanybooks said,
If you are a Costco member and don’t want/need the SPG nights/stays, the free Costco Amex gives the same OPEN benefits as the Business Starwood. And 2% cash back for travel and 3% on gas. Would work out better for some people on some spend.
KamanCali said,
Ehh it’s ok, but not the amazing thing I’ve heard. After having SPG for a couple months, it’s nice, but nothing special.
What’s really my go-to card for $20 or less is Chase Freedom transferred to Sapphire Preferred points. 10 points base + 10% points bonus per transaction + 1x base points cover all my under $20 expenses everyday- usually 3-5% average back. Sapphire Preferred covers my food above $20 and travel at 2x.
That leaves only the occasional non-food ~$50 item to buy on SPG- for me that’s not a lot left….
SPG needs 2x bonus on some categories I think (travel?)
Haven’t earned any MR points in a long time because of Chase UR!
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Anon256 said,
I’m with KamanCali on the value of the Chase Freedom card when combined with Chase Sapphire/UR, and am mystified why Gary has barely mentioned the Freedom card/this combination on his list of best current offers and instead keeps talking about “business” cards with sky-high minimum-spends and potential for problems down the road if you’re not really a business. I wonder if it has something do with referrals for business cards paying over twice as much as for personal cards? (See http://www.credit-land.com/1003/1003_page_12779_324069.php ) Though in his last post about the Freedom card he complained that the bonuses were capped after $1500 in spending per quarter, so maybe it’s just that he’s a lot richer than the rest of us. (I almost never put over $1500 on one card in a quarter unless a minimum spend demands it, and especially not if I’m making the min spend for another card in the same quarter.)
Gary said,
@Anon256 I just don’t find it worthwhile to juggle cards over bonuses on $1500 in spend. Has nothing to do with wealth, though one thing many business travelers have is lots of reimbursable credit card spend.
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