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A credit card churn is about signup bonuses. It isn’t about what card gets you the most for your spending (other than the minimum spending necessary to earn a bonus). It’s about getting a card which gives you a big upfront bang for the buck.
You may or may not keep that card, depending on what other features and benefits you have. But it’s about a big payment to you for applying for the card, which can fund your travel in premium cabins all over the world.
I’ve written in the past about managing good credit to fly and stay cheaply all over the world. If you have good credit you can do this, and you can often even improve your credit in the process.
Now when I write about the cards I’m looking at to apply for and the cards I have in my wallet and which I will keep and which I will cancel, I hope that’s a useful window into strategy and at least the way that I think about these opportunities.
But I’ve been at this for 15 years and I’ve already had many of the cards that offer the best bonuses. Some you can get again, others you can’t, some you have to wait awhile before you do.
So what I thought would be useful would be to highlight how I would approach signing up for cards to get the best bonuses if I were new to this game.
See, Chase usually will only give you a signup bonus once for each card. Sometimes they revamp a card and consider it ‘new’ like the British Airways Visa a couple of years ago, I had had it years before but the new features and benefits meant I could get the card again, and I did (for the 100,000 point bonus). There are folks who will report getting bonuses over and over still, but they’re generally the exception.
American Express used to be one bonus per cardmember in a lifetime, or if you signed up for a card you’ve had in the past they would only give you the incremental bonus over what you had gotten before. More recently they seem to be open to allowing signup bonuses every two years, at least in my experience and reading.
Meanwhile Citibank has been good in allowing me to get the same bonus on the card after 18 months.
And Bank of American and Barclays have both given bonuses more than once, though there are reports that Bank of America is clearer in their terms and conditions at least (though unclear as yet if in real world practice) that they’ll only give a bonus one time.
None of this is like the good old days of getting a bonus over and over on Chase cards every 60 days or every 90 for Citi. Those days are long past, but on the plus side the bonuses themselves are bigger. I used to get excited by 15,000 and 20,000 point signup bonuses!
Roughly speaking conventional wisdom is that you sign up for a bunch of cards at once every 90 days for best effect. Each card issuer will only give you so many cards at a time, so try to pick one card from each. Business cards are often considered different and it’s possible to get both a personal and business card from Chase and from American Express at the same time, though they may make you talk to one of their representatives if you do try (e.g. American Express might want to make sure it’s not a duplicate application).
Some folks will check their credit report and see which issuers are pulling from which bureaus in their state, hoping to spread out their credit inquiries across the different bureaus. Since I’m really only interested in a few card issuers anyway, that’s not affected my decision-making in the past.
But if I were starting from scratch what I would do as my ideal churn is:
Chase:
- Sapphire Preferred Visa.
- No fee the first year, 40,000 points after $3000 in spend within 3 months.
- No foreign currency conversion fees
- Double points on travel and dining
- Points transfers to United, Hyatt, Southwest, Amtrak, British Airways, Korean Airlines, Marriott, Priority Club, and Ritz-Carlton.
- One of the very best all-around cards, and with a great signup bonus.
- No fee the first year, 40,000 points after $3000 in spend within 3 months.
- Ink Bold charge card or Ink Plus small business credit card.
- These are the small business counterparts to the Sapphire Preferred
- No fee the first year, 50,000 point signup bonuses after $5,000 spend within 3 months.
- Points transfer to United, British Airways, Korean Airlines, Southwest, Hyatt, Marriott, Ritz-Carlton, Priority Club, and Amtrak.
- Quintuple points on wireless/telecommunications services, cable and satellite TV and radio, and office supply stores and double points on hotels and gas stations up to 200,000 points per year.
- These are the small business counterparts to the Sapphire Preferred
American Express:
- Starwood Preferred Guest American Express
- Up to 25,000 points as a signup bonus
- No fee the first year
- Points can be used for hotel stays or transferred to airline miles, in most cases 1:1 and with a huge variety of programs. When you transfer points to 20,000 miles you receive 5000 bonus miles.
- That means if you use this as an airline mileage-earning card you effectively receive 1.25 miles per dollar on all spend.
- 2 stays and 5 nights towards elite status
- Up to 25,000 points as a signup bonus
- Starwood Preferred Guest American Express Business Card
- Up to 25,000 points as a signup bonus
- No fee the first year
- Points can be used for hotel stays or transferred to airline miles, in most cases 1:1 and with a huge variety of programs. When you transfer points to 20,000 miles you receive 5000 bonus miles.
- That means if you use this as an airline mileage-earning card you effectively receive 1.25 miles per dollar on all spend.
- OPEN savings, I like it for domestic Hyatt spending because you earn the Starwood point for credit card spend and receive 3% cash back credited to the card as well.
- 2 stays and 5 nights towards elite status
- Up to 25,000 points as a signup bonus
Citibank:
- Citibank American Airlines American Express
- 50,000 bonus points and $100 statement credit after $3000 spend within 4 months
- No fee the first year.
- Links is direct to an application page, I’ve gotten no reports of the bonus having any problems however.
- 50,000 bonus points and $100 statement credit after $3000 spend within 4 months
- Citibank American Airlines Visa
- Many folks have success getting approved for 2 Citibank cards at a time, even similar cards, when submitting applications simultaneously via two different web browsers (e.g. Google Chrome for one, Internet Explorer for the other).
- 50,000 bonus points and $100 statement credit after $3000 spend within 4 months
- No fee the first year.
- Links is direct to an application page, I’ve gotten no reports of the bonus having any problems however.
- Many folks have success getting approved for 2 Citibank cards at a time, even similar cards, when submitting applications simultaneously via two different web browsers (e.g. Google Chrome for one, Internet Explorer for the other).
Barclays: US Airways Mastercard
- 40,000 points after first purchase and fee waived the first year.
- 10,000 more points after first year, which is worth the $89 annual fee.
- 2 club passes each year
- $99 companion ticket
Bank of America: Alaska Airlines Visa
- 25,000 miles on approval and then 15,000 more after $7500 in spend within 6 months of account open.
- $75 annual fee not waived.
- $99 companion ticket which is valid for use on any paid coach fare.
(Note that the Chase and American Express cards above over a referral credit to me if you use my links, which are the best available I’m aware of, and I truly appreciate it if you choose to do so. The Citibank links are better than any that would offer credit to me, so I suggest these as your best bet. I receive no credit for anything from Bank of America or Barclays.)



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rlbbj said,
The link to US Airways says Exclusive Offer for Chairman’s Preferred Members Only. Is this really an “exclusive offer”?
The Deal Mommy said,
I would add AMEX platinum to that list for the lounge access, FHR program, global entry, and airline credit.
Gary said,
@The Deal Mommy — Amex Platinum is a great card, I use it for my lounge access. The benefits are HUGE. But it’s a good card to have which is a different subject than being a good card to chrun, ie. I was writing about what I would do right now for signup bonuses.
Gary said,
@ribbj – i have used it multiple times and am not a chairmans member
Varun said,
That does not seem like a churn that many people would be able to afford. You do realize that the initial spend to get the maximum miles credited is $36500 over 6 months don’t you?
BRLfly said,
Love the post. I would have gone with chase BA visa. 50k on first purchase is amazing even if you don’t do the two follow up cycles of $10k for 25k miles in 366 days.
Gary said,
@Varun if you read this blog I write about how to do that at low cost, this isn’t about just using your everyday expenses. Many readers of this blog are heavy business travelers who can meet if with reimbursable business expenses. That’s the persoective from which I write myself. But I also explain regularly how to bump up spend without actually being out cash. See, for instance:
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/04/15/ways-to-goose-your-minimum-spend-for-a-credit-card-signup-bonus/
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/15/using-wells-fargo-prepaid-visa-cards-to-meet-credit-card-minimum-spend-requirements/
Gary said,
@BRLfly the 100k offer on british airways isn’t available anymore. so you’re looking at a 50k offer. and it’s from chase so you need to make a choice of which chase card to get. i believe sapphire preferred is a better offer from chase than the 50k BA visa
JohnBom said,
For Chase, when you transfer points to, say, Marriott, can it be to a spouse’s account?
Gary said,
@JohnBom – yes
Ari said,
Gary,
I might be missing something, but wouldn’t it make sense in addition to applying for the Sapphire card, also apply for the United Explorer card. 40 thousand from saphire+ 60k UA card (offer between 40 and 65 k targeted) in itself is a round trip business class ticket to europe.
Add that with the priority club card you have yourself hotel expenses and flight expeneses paid fora trip.
That in itself seems like a sucesfull churn.
As a first time churner that is what I plan on doing
Gary said,
@Ari – yes those are great cards. The thing is that they’re also from Chase. So you probably need to spread those out a bit. I’d do Sapphire, then 3 months later United.
beachfan said,
Hi Gary;
For me, churn means the cycle of reapplying for cards you already have with issuers who give bonuses multiple times.
The ones I know of right now are Citibank AA and Barclay’s USAIR. Any others?
Thanks again for all the info!
chemist661 said,
For this month, US Bank is offering 33K miles (Olympics promo) for 2.5K spend in 5 months. Much better than their usual of 15K pts (worthless to me).
Their redemptions are take some research to max out value since their redemption is based on tiers. (20K pts equals <$400 airline ticket, 60K pts is a $400-$600 ticket).
My wife & I applied for this card and we both got approvals. (I was worried about my approval since I refinanced 2 of my rental properties and I was mortgage shopping in mid June plus both loans just showed up on my Experian report as brand new lines).
Bottom line: US Bank may be a decent churn opportunity for this month. Find the Olympic link (33K pts signup) on Milepoint & flyertalk bulletin boards.
Jim said,
Fantastic line up of cards.
The only one I would modify is BOA Virgin Atlantic Amex 65k bonus. Much lower spend limit. Points transferable to Hilton.
Michael said,
Hi Gary:
What is your advice on best cards that can be churned multiple times? I.e., cards where one can renew for the sign-up bonus once every year, or, if possible, more than once a year?
Really appreciate all the information – very helpful!
Thomas said,
Great post, just what I was looking for! What cards would you recommend for a first time churner who’s primary airline is United and who puts about 3k-4k a month on credit cards? I’m having a hard time deciding which cards to do (given the above considerations). The chase cards seem ideal b/c of the United connection, but the SPG promotion this month is causing me trouble figuring this all out. Thanks!
Grant Thomas said,
I’ve had my eyes on the citi AA 2 browser cards for a while but can never pull the trigger. Gotta hit my spending on CSP and SPG Biz cards. Do you know how long the deal will be around for? When did the deal start?
Rick said,
wouldn’t make sense to apply for Bofa Virgin Atlantic or Hawaii Airlines card?
Gary said,
@Rick – it could, I value the Alaska offer more and was trying to pick ONE from Bank of America as a first, the others I’d go for after 3 and 6 months
Gary said,
@Grant Thomas no idea when this will be gone, it’s very much not an ‘official’ offer just a straggler, it’s been up quite awhile but could go away at any time
Gary said,
@Thomas depends on how many United miles you already have and what you want to redeem for. If you were going for more United miles yes the Sapphire Preferred et all — but if you wanted to diversity then SPG is good, note that Starwood points transfers to United are poor (2:1 rather than 1:1)
Gary said,
@Michael — AA card I’ve been able to get every 18 months. Bank of America and Barclays cards have been churnable in the past. There’s no way to know when policies will change to my advice is just to go for the best available offer at the time you’re applying.
Gary said,
@Jim – indeed, others may disagree with my lineup, as I say I value the Alaska miles more (eg 140k Cathay Pacific first class to South Africa with stopover in Hong Kong with no fuel surcharges is something I value much more than say 100k HHonors points)
Gary said,
@beachfan – Bank of America….
Thomas said,
@Gary,
Thanks. I guess that’s the issue, that I haven’t exactly figured everything out.
So with that in mind, what cards would you recommend signing up for right now based on 3k-4k spend a month?
That would actually be a helpful thing to know, i.e., if someone spent X amount per month on cards, here’s the one’s I’d apply for now and if someone spent XX per month ….
It’s interesting because for some cards you get more time. So even though someone might only spend a certain amount per month and wouldn’t be able to get, for example, the Sapphire and SPG, because the SPG is 6 months time to spend that amount, the person should do it now for the bonus, focus their spend on Sapphire for the first three months until they hit the mark and then start spending on the SPG since they have 3 months left.
Sorry for the long post. Just something I’m trying to figure out.
Thanks again for the advice.
Thomas said,
Err, I meant to say “So with that in mind, and not taking into account any United miles I already have, what cards would you recommend signing up for right now based on 3k-4k spend a month?”
Sorry.
Grant Thomas said,
@Thomas, it depends what you spend your money on. The ink bold or ink plus has a great sign up bonus which can be transferred to united miles.
beachfan said,
@Gary, thanks! that makes the BofA Alaska more attractive. The spend requirement seemed to high to me, but I could just churn it and get up to enough for a first class ticket to Hawaii.
beachfan said,
Gary, do you know if your links include the 2 AAdmiral Club Passes or the 2 for 1 cert that some of the offers include?
Gary said,
@beachfan — so first off they aren’t mine per se, not benefit to me, but yes I believe these are as good as any links out there but since the link doesn’t say what is provided along with the bonus points i didn’t want to overpromise
beachfan said,
Cool!
gloreglabert said,
I think this list is a little shortsighted in that it focuses almost exclusively on high signup bonuses on cards with big annual fees. For a first-time churner (who probably has less credit history and not that many cards to maintain credit age), I think it’s very important to take a long-term approach and get a bunch of no-annual-fee cards early on that you can keep forever. Sure, you might get a couple of smaller signup bonuses, but unless you want to pay hundreds in annual fees forever to keep a bunch of old cards open to protect your credit, I think it’s better to grab a couple of long-term keepers in the first churn or two. This will most likely pay off greatly in the long run of continuing to get more cards.
Gary said,
@gloreglabert was talking first time churning so hasn’t used up best signup options.. which is different from first time having credit cards.
gloreglabert said,
@Gary – sure, I get that – but I know many people who’ve had credit cards for years and years, yet only have one or two. For those people, even though they’re far from first-time CC holders, going from 1 or 2 cards to 9 or 10 all at once is going to potentially have a major impact.
Ram said,
“Roughly speaking conventional wisdom is that you sign up for a bunch of cards at once every 90 days for best effect” is a good strategy. But for us common folks who don’t have much in terms of reimbursable business expenses to charge, the minimum spend becomes a problem. For that reason, I prefer to get a new one every month or so to spread the spend and also not to have to keep track of too many cards at a time. But I am perfectly okay with the once every 90 day strategy, if that works for you.
Shimbo said,
Gary,
When reapplying for the same card again to get another bonus, for example lets say the AA Visa card, did you first close the card you have and then reapply, or can you apply while you still have an active card?
Kathy said,
I closed my US Air mastercard a few months ago when the annual fee came due. When would I be able to open another one and get the bonus miles again? Thanks!
leon said,
When you say allowing signup bonuses every two years (for amex) and 18 months (for citi), does the clock started from the time account was opened or closed? Lets say I opened my card 10 years ago but closed it last month, can I open it today and get the bonus?
Thanks
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Gi said,
when you click in Feb 2013 on your link above to Citibank American Visa it is a dead-end. It only goes to “A system error has caused a delay in processing your application. Please try again later.” page on citibank
Samuel said,
Great article for us beginners. Some of my colleagues have been able to sign up for cards (United Explorer with Chase, for example), redeem the bonus, and then cancel/merge the account/CL with an existing account (like a Chase Freedom). This supposedly has less impact to a credit score than flat cancelling a card. Would one then be able to reapply for the card a few years later to get the sign up bonus again (assuming it was with a bank that allowed this)? In other words, does mereging accounts have the same effect as cancelling it, as far as the bank and their offers are concerned?
Thanks!
Gary said,
Cancelling doesn’t hurt your score really or in any near-term because cancelled cards remain on your report until they age off and continue to be calculated into the average age of your accounts. But folding credit into another card means you have more credit to play with and trade for future approvals.
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