Link: Citi® Hilton HHonors™ Reserve Card

This Hilton HHonors devaluation is really bad. Hilton points out — and cites my blog analysis as evidence — that they actually have the program that requires the least amount of spending to get a free night. That’s true, it takes only 1/3rd the hotel spending of Hyatt, Priority Club, or Starwood to get the least expensive free hotel night.

But the top hotels, that required the most points, will now require orders of magnitude more. The Conrad Koh Samui was one of the best redemption values at 50,000 points per night. It will be 95,000 points per night for 10 out of 12 months of the year.

Lucky acknowledges these changes but says he’s still going to spend $40,000 on the Citi® Hilton HHonors™ Reserve Card. He realizes the points he’ll earn will be worth less, but still thinks it’s a good idea since he’ll earn Hilton HHonors Diamond status. With respect, I disagree.

Benefits of the Citi® Hilton HHonors™ Reserve Card

It’s unquestionably worth getting the card for most frequent flyers.
The card offers:

  • Two free weekend nights after $2500 in spending as a signup bonus
  • Gold status as long as you have the card or Diamond status after $40,000 spend
  • No foreign currency transaction fees
  • 10 points per dollar spent at Hilton, 5 points per dollar on airline and rental car spend, 3 points on everything else
  • An annual free weekend night each year you put $10,000 on the card

Lucky and I had a debate where he argued that HHonors points are worth 0.8 cents apiece, 3 HHonors points per dollar amounts to a 2.4% rebate which is as valuable or more valuable than any card for spending. His valuation was based on how great a deal it was to redeem for properties like the Conrad Koh Samui and Conrad Maldives. That isn’t looking too good these days.

At the time I argued that HHonors points are worth less than that, but the free night after $10,000 in spending makes this card exceptionally valuable to put $10,000 on, probably the most valuable use of $10,000 in spending you can have besides using that spend strictly to meet the requirements of signup bonuses.

And that the card was outstanding to have for Hilton HHonors Gold status — Hyatt and Starwood offer the best loyalty programs (with Hyatt best for both free nights and for top tier elite status) but that neither chain is everywhere, so you need a ‘backup’ and Hilton makes a great backup when you can have Gold status for just the cost of a credit card annual fee.

Why it Makes Sense to Get this Card for Hilton Gold Status (and 2 Free Weekend Nights)

Hilton has properties just about everywhere. So having some status with the chain is a no brainer for a frequent traveler. Gold normally requires 16 stays, 36 nights, or $6000 in spending with Hilton. Or you get it just for signing up for this credit card.

Gold gets you 25% bonus points, Executive floor upgrades when available and breakfast when there’s no club upgrade (or no club) available. Golds also get modest room upgrades and free internet.

And as a signup bonus the card offers two free weekend nights after $2500 in spending, and these are valid at nearly any Hilton property. It’s become much more expensive to get free nights via points, but the ‘cost’ of free nights via credit card signup remains the same. Two free nights aren’t worth more than before, but two free night certificates are worth relatively more than HHonors points (since those are worth less).

My strategy is to focus on a chain that provides you the best elite treatment — Hyatt or Starwood — and make Hilton the backup for travel to a city that doesn’t have a hotel with the better program. And for those cases, you walk into the hotel with status rather than without, just for getting a credit card — which more than pays for itself in the first year with those two free weekend nights.

Why it Makes Sense to Spend $10,000 on this Card Each Year

Contra Lucky, I didn’t think this was a great card for spending since even before the devaluation of HHonors points I valued 1 Starwood point or 1 Chase Ultimate Rewards point more highly than 3 Hilton points (the reward for unbonused spending).

In fact, I valued 3 Hilton points at least than 2 cents meaning that I’d argue putting spending on a 2% cash back card would be better.

But for the first $10,000 in spending each year you get a free weekend night and the HHonors points from the spending. There are few more rewarding places to put $10,000 in spending (besides qualifying for credit card signup bonuses).

Put $10,000 on a Starwood American Express card and you get a free night at a category 4 hotel. Put $10,000 on this card and you get a free weekend night at nearly any Hilton hotel and 30,000 points which is worth a free mid-tier hotel night. Strong value proposition.

Why it Doesn’t Make Sense to Spend $40,000 for Diamond Status

Here’s where Lucky and I really differ. I just do not think that it makes sense to put $40,000 in spending on this card to earn Hilton Diamond status.

I didn’t think it was worth it before, since Diamond really doesn’t provide much benefit over Gold.

And I certainly don’t think it’s worth it now that the points earned don’t go nearly as far.

Lucky writes,

I do think it’s worth “gambling” $300 for guaranteed lounge access and the occasional suite upgrade if you have at least few Hilton stays per year. So to answer Alan’s question, yes I think it’s reasonable, and yes, I’m still planning on going for Diamond through spend on the Citi Hilton Reserve Card.

Here’s why I disagree.

  1. Diamond isn’t much better than Gold, which you get just for holding the card. You get incrementally more (devalued) bonus HHonors points — 50% instead of 25% on your in-hotel spend — and guaranteed lounge access (which Golds usually get but I generally prefer a restaurant breakfast anyway). In theory Diamonds might get better upgrades than Golds but there’s no entitlement to suites in the HHonors program.

  2. You’re giving up too much value for extra $30,000 in spending beyond the $10k that earns the free weekend night each year. $30,000 will generate 90,000 HHonors points which used to be nearly enough for two nights at just about any Hilton hotel property, now it won’t in all cases even be enough for one night. As Joe Brancatelli noted to me, 50,000 HHonors points used to get you the Conrad in New York City. Now the best you can do in Manhattan for 50,000 points is the Hampton Inn on Pearl Street.

  3. You should put the spending towards credit card signup bonuses not towards Hilton HHonors Diamond status. That’s where the most leverage is in your credit card spending, not striving for the incremental difference between Gold and Diamond in the HHonors program.

The only exception to this analysis, I think, is if you actually do $30,000 in Hilton hotel spending. In the past I earned Hilton Diamond through credit card spend because I was able to put a Hilton hotel conference bill on my card. This card earns 10 points per dollar on Hilton spend (the American Express Surpass card earns 12 and offers Diamond after $40,000 spend as well). That sort of spend makes sense.

Otherwise, not so much.

Bottom-line this card belongs in the tool kit of most frequent flyers. It’s worth putting $10,000 a year in spending on this card. But it’s not worth spending on the card beyond that.

(Note that the Citi® Hilton HHonors™ Reserve Card offers referral credit to me if you’re approved using my link, which I greatly appreciate.)

  1. CW said,

    They’ve been pushing this card sooooo hard lately. Nonstop tv and print ads everywhere I turn. I just wonder at what point they’re going to pull the rug out, and what that’s going to constitute. Because when everyone and their sister has the thing, there’s obviously going to need to be a dilution of benefits.

  2. Michael said,

    Gary, assuming one would spend at least $20K per year on each card, how do you compare the Citi HHonors Reserve Card with the Amex Hhonors reserve card? I have the latter and just got charged $75 for the annual renewal ($20 less than the Citi card, I think) in return for which I just got 50,000 bonus points (a pretty good trade-off, I think). Should I quit the Amex and get the Citi card? I think the Amex card rewards purchases (gasoline, etc.) more generously, doesn’t it?

  3. Gary said,

    @CW well there aren’t too many benefits that trade off with other guests with those benefits… you avoid the bad rooms at the hotel (SOMEONE on property won’t have the card!) and get free breakfast and free internet. So not a huge tradeoff there. And if that happens, you cancel the card. Having already pocketed the free nights and benefits up to that point.

  4. Simon said,

    I was already $30k spend in (on the Surpass for 2013) before the changes were announced, so it makes sense for me to finish what I started & hit the $40k spend (projected by end of April) and have Diamond until Feb 2015. YMMV.

  5. Anita said,

    Gary
    How soon do the 2 free weekend nites certificates last for before they expire ?
    Thinking about using them in Jan 2015 so. Don’t want to apply & find they have to be used within 12 months
    Thanks

  6. Michael said,

    @Simon sorry, yes, I was meaning to compare the Amex Hhonors SURPASS card with the Citi Hhonors RESERVE card.

  7. Matt said,

    Lucky updated his valuation of HHonors points earlier this week, and made a post that is quite similar to this one yesterday.

    http://boardingarea.com/blogs/onemileatatime/2013/03/15/what-miles-points-are-worth-hotel-points/

    http://boardingarea.com/blogs/onemileatatime/2013/03/17/is-it-still-worth-earning-diamond-status-through-the-hilton-reserve-visa-card/

  8. LIH Prem said,

    so what’s your updated value of an HHonors point now?

    -David

  9. frequent churner said,

    Any idea how AMEX will adjust their AXON awards to account for the new categories? That’ll be a real test since those were the most valuable redemptions.

  10. Walt K said,

    “But the top hotels, that required the most points, will now require orders of magnitude more.”

    When you say orders of magnitude more, you’re comparing to the amount of spend required for the lowest tier room, correct? I think this reads a little confusingly because previously you were comparing Hilton to Starwood/Hyatt/PC. But comparing between programs, for in-hotel spend, Hilton isn’t orders of magnitude more than the rest. If you factor in the points multiplier you’re receiving for having a co-branded card, which many frequent travelers will have, isn’t Hilton more in line or even less than the some of the others even after the devaluation?

  11. Gary said,

    @LIH Prem – in the model I had previously articulated it probably doesn’t change a lot, it’s based on what you can pretty much always get back in hotel redemptions not based on the most you could ever get back. The bottom improves, the middle doesn’t change that much, it’s the top that collapses. I valued the points at half a cent previously, now probably 0.004something… I haven’t really calculated it yet but probably no worse than $0.0045

  12. Gary said,

    @Anita don’t apply for the card yet for a Jan 2015 stay

  13. Gary said,

    @Simon if you’re already at 30k then by all means complete it, i wouldn’t be surprised if you keep Diamond past spring 2015 on that basis.

  14. Seth Miller said,

    The “free” breakfast and internet is a joke, right?

    Or do you consider paying extra to stay in a property where they then charge you extra for basic services the smart play?

    On the plus side, great work getting a link out there which encourages people to sign up for a card which actually likely isn’t in their best interests. You and Ben both managed that in the past few days. Quite impressive.

  15. Gary said,

    @Seth Miller – you don’t like chain hotels or hotel loyalty programs, I get it. We disagree, and write from different perspectives.

  16. eponymous coward said,

    Seth and Gary-

    This might make for great fodder for my proposed FTU panel I pitched at Lucky last night: “Bloggers: Worse than Hitler?”

    Full disclosure: I admit to some sympathy to Seth’s point; to some extent you pay for the name when it comes to the mega-chains like Hilton. Marriott, SPG. That being said, a lot of people don’t want to go outside their comfort zone trying to maximize “OK, what non-chain hotel has all the amenities I want for the best price”, thus the popularity of the mega-chains and status, complete with a convenient lounge with food you could get at home instead of the local food outside your hotel. Not everyone wants to sample the Khlav Kalash.

  17. Eric said,

    If all you’re looking for is Hilton Gold, you can get it easily for free using the Visa Infinite loophole.

    http://pointstobemade.com/2013/01/15/possible-hilton-gold-using-visa-infinite-and-the-luhn-algorithm/

  18. Gary said,

    I think I am the primary source on that. I continue to link to it. But many aee not comfortable generating a card number they don’t have and claiming to live in Australia. Plus some accounts have been downgraded.

  19. iahphx said,

    Personally, I think this card is a complete waste of time unless you have a particular need for a WEEKEND stay at a high-point HHonors property — and then it would be worthwhile solely for the free weekend.

    I wouldn’t pay the $95 renewal fee for the “privilege” of spending 10K to get one additional weekend night. I’d rather cancel the card and churn it if I needed another weekend stay.

    There are other ways to get HHonors gold status. This card seems like a niche product.

  20. ls said,

    I actually think, that getting Club Carlson visa and putting 10000 everyday spend on it is a bit more valuable , than the Hilton Reserve. You would get
    50000 points , good for 2 night stay at their top end properties, cardholder benefit. It is especially great
    for someone, who travels internationally. I think its the best deal for hotel points currently, But the program will devalue eventually, I am certain of it.

  21. rob said,

    with the most recent devaluation. 10 Hilton point is worth 1 cent. use 1% cash back cards instead.

  22. gobluetwo said,

    Fyi, you list the OLD HH Gold qualification criteria. It’s higher now.

  23. Bubba said,

    Gary, you said “don’t apply for the card yet for a Jan 2015 stay” but you didn’t answer the question – how long are the free night certs good for/when do they expire?

    I plan my travel – and credit card apps – far in advance, so need to know the shelf-life of any freebies, including these. Thanks.

  24. ffi said,

    The certs expire 1 year from date of issue
    I think the real cost of HH gold is
    95$ fee, 10k spend = 200$ lost cash back so at least $295
    for 2 free nights; 1 for 30k and 1 free weekend night.
    Plus free food.
    For the frequent traveler who wants to save on food, this may be OK,
    but as Seth points out, there is more to travel than the chains.

  25. chemist661 said,

    I had my wife apply for the free 2 weekend nights. $95 for 2 Hiltin nights & gold Hilton is worth it. The jury is out on whether we will renew the card.

    We plan to use those for a nice Hilton (Condrad or Waldorf) in NYC. Due to medical issues, going overseas is not likely. We will burn thru my wife’s 120K pts (won’t go too far with devaluations). Since only my wife can take advantage of the free breakfast, Hilton Gold may be of limited use after the 1st year for us. (I can’t swallow due to medical issues and have my own food).

    We will decide if she will renew the card at the 1st anniversary. For most people, it is a very good card to keep for long term. We may ultimately keep it or I will apply myself for the 2 free weekend nights (signup) when my wife’s card is up for renewal.

    Who knows? We may enjoy the Gold Hilton status.

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  27. Ethan said,

    Hey Gary,

    I agree with most of your points above but also think you tend to undervalue the difference between Gold and Diamond status with Hilton. While it’s true that published, guaranteed benefits don’t justify the $30k additional spend for Diamond status, in my experience high-end properties in the HHonors program treat their Diamond guests appreciably better than Golds. A free upgrade at the Conrad Maldives, for example, is nearly impossible for a Gold member, and for good reason (the overwhelming majority of their guests are repeat customers, honeymooners, and/or have Diamond status, according to their FT rep.) While it’s not guaranteed for Diamonds, when space has been available, I’ve had decent luck.

    I also think you discount (or might not realize) the value of the Diamond desk. They are often able to get around a lot of the published rules of certain bookings, rates, redemptions, and seem willing to call any property in the world without hesitation to help with a booking, request, cancellation, etc… usually with positive results, in my experience.

    To be clear, I don’t think HHonors Diamond status is nearly as valuable as Hyatt Diamond or SPG Platinum status, but for people who can generate plenty of annual spending AND plan on staying at any of the Top, Top properties in the Hilton portfolio, the extra $30k of spend is a no-brainer.

  28. Points Surfer said,

    Spot on, Gary. Thank you for your input. I actually think the recent Hilton devaluation actually made the free night certificates less value – I’m not that interested in redeeming the certificates at the Conrad NYC since I live here, but I would love to use them at the Conrad Maldives for example. However, I can’t just go there for 2 nights, which means I either fork over $1,000 per night for the rest of my stay or an overly-inflated amount of HHonors points.

    Just my two cents – I still plan to get the Citi HHonors Reserve for the two free nights and will seriously consider putting $10k spend on it for the yearly free weekend night…

  29. Wedding Spend said,

    I agree that $40k in spend is not worth chasing on the Citi Hilton Reserve but for at least this year until May, I think $40k is worth pursuing on the Amex Hilton Surpass if you only use the Surpass at CVS for Vanilla Reloads. After ThePointsGuy reported that AXON awards will remain in place even after March 28th, I think we’ll have to await those details as well before we can make a final call.

  30. Ken said,

    With the Carlson credit card it only takes $1,800 in spend to get 2 nights at a category 1 hotel. HHonors cannot touch that.

  31. Antonio said,

    It comes down to this: It makes sense for LUCKY to get Diamond status, but not necessarily for the rest of us. Why?

    He’s got >500k HHonors points that he’s trying to burn before the devaluation. He’s making a bunch of bookings for the next year to burn those points at some of the most aspirational properties. Having Diamond for those occasions will offer him a better experience, since he has multiple AXON itineraries planned.

    Unless you’re going to stay at Hilton properties more than 2 weeks cumulatively over the course of the next year, it doesn’t make sense to go for Diamond with 40k spend. But in Lucky’s case, it does make sense, especially since he’s good at manufacturing spend.

  32. Gary said,

    @Ken – a base HHonors member needs only $666 spend WITHOUT THE CREDIT CARD EVEN to get 2 nights in a cat 1 hotel. Club Carlson cannot touch that ;)

  33. Ken said,

    @Gary – How? Every time I look to book Hiltons all I see are $80/night rooms going for 40k points. $666 for 2 nights sounds great!

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  35. Devon said,

    I know with the Reserve you get a free night for $10k in spend in a year. Is that calendar year or not? Example: My wife opened hers in November 2012 and we did most of our spending before Jan 1. Will that count towards the $10k or did that reset on Jan 1? Thanks!

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